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This one is an idea that has already been acted on - you can find the new forum at
getsatisfaction.com/tribe
GetSatisfaction is a consumer site which, as far as I know, has no affiliation with Tribe or anybody working for Tribe, and which doesn't seem willing to censor posts.
Comments:
1. While I did start this new forum, I do not, in any sense, serve as its moderator. Any complaints about user misconduct on the forum will have to be take up with the site's staff, who seem to moderate with a very light hand.
2. GetSatisfaction should not be seen as being exclusively a customer complaint site, though customer complaints are welcomed on it.
3. Mr. Pinkus and anybody else at Tribe - I made sure to include Mr. Pinkus' Typepad blog as the contact url, when I started the new forum, so the staff at the site will know who he is (if they didn't already). GetSatisfaction allows users to register as employees (and official representatives) of a company. GetSatisfaction is a reasonably high profile site, so staff might a little added visibility for Tribe by being there, especially if they have positive news to share.
4. I don't believe that users will be unjustly censored on this new forum, but if they are, I've created a group on Google, where complaints about moderatorial abuse on the new forum will be welcomed. But, again, so will the staff of Tribe and of GetSatisfaction.com, so if somebody wishes to make up something, he should do so knowing that a rebuttal might be on its way. The Googlegroup is located at
groups.google.com/group/tribe_net/
That, I do own and moderate - it's an unofficial forum, marked clearly as such - so I can offer some promises about moderation there. One of which is that as long as you don't troll - and I do make some effort to define what trolling is - you will be extremely free to express your views there, even ones critical of Tribe, without fear of Tribe deleting them.
Not that they'd ever do that, of course, but if they wouldn't be able to do so there, or at GetSatisfaction, either - though I could be wrong about the latter. Please pass the word on, without doing anything that violates Tribe's TOS, of course.
getsatisfaction.com/tribe
GetSatisfaction is a consumer site which, as far as I know, has no affiliation with Tribe or anybody working for Tribe, and which doesn't seem willing to censor posts.
Comments:
1. While I did start this new forum, I do not, in any sense, serve as its moderator. Any complaints about user misconduct on the forum will have to be take up with the site's staff, who seem to moderate with a very light hand.
2. GetSatisfaction should not be seen as being exclusively a customer complaint site, though customer complaints are welcomed on it.
3. Mr. Pinkus and anybody else at Tribe - I made sure to include Mr. Pinkus' Typepad blog as the contact url, when I started the new forum, so the staff at the site will know who he is (if they didn't already). GetSatisfaction allows users to register as employees (and official representatives) of a company. GetSatisfaction is a reasonably high profile site, so staff might a little added visibility for Tribe by being there, especially if they have positive news to share.
4. I don't believe that users will be unjustly censored on this new forum, but if they are, I've created a group on Google, where complaints about moderatorial abuse on the new forum will be welcomed. But, again, so will the staff of Tribe and of GetSatisfaction.com, so if somebody wishes to make up something, he should do so knowing that a rebuttal might be on its way. The Googlegroup is located at
groups.google.com/group/tribe_net/
That, I do own and moderate - it's an unofficial forum, marked clearly as such - so I can offer some promises about moderation there. One of which is that as long as you don't troll - and I do make some effort to define what trolling is - you will be extremely free to express your views there, even ones critical of Tribe, without fear of Tribe deleting them.
Not that they'd ever do that, of course, but if they wouldn't be able to do so there, or at GetSatisfaction, either - though I could be wrong about the latter. Please pass the word on, without doing anything that violates Tribe's TOS, of course.
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Re: A forum for Tribe on GetSatisfaction.com
Wed, February 25, 2009 - 11:24 PMGetsatisfaction.com is a great site. I'll try to check in on it when I can, but the most efficient method to get help with anything on Tribe.net is to simply write to help@tribe.net -
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Re: A forum for Tribe on GetSatisfaction.com
Thu, February 26, 2009 - 6:13 PMyou guys are doing a great job at answering my inquiries since stepping up to help out. You even are trying to figure out how to handle trolls..lol Thanks Carolyn <3 Plokk D Rainbo -
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Re: A forum for Tribe on GetSatisfaction.com
Thu, February 26, 2009 - 6:48 PMTribe is once again functioning like a business which provides customer service and not customer ignore!!
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Re: A forum for Tribe on GetSatisfaction.com
Sat, February 28, 2009 - 5:17 AM> Getsatisfaction.com is a great site. I'll try to check in on it when I
> can, but the most efficient method to get help with anything on
> Tribe.net is to simply write to help@tribe.net
I would tend to assume that, but let's say that Tribe goes offline, as it has before, and users have questions. Now there is a place for those questions to be answered, and as the gentleman at Ma.gnolia can tell you, that fact can do a lot for user relations, even under the most dire circumstances.
In the case of Ma.gnolia, as you might have heard, the whole site went *poof* irreversably; most of the user bookmarks aren't coming back. Something that I think that most of us can agree is much, much worse than any snafu that Tribe has ever experienced. But the owner of that site (Larry Halff) happened to be over on GetSatisfaction when worried users started asking questions, and was at least able to tell them what went wrong. The response he got wasn't uncritical, but it was an understanding one, and a lot of users were willing to give him a second chance. It's when all that people can do is sit and stew that they tend to get more hostile than they otherwise would. There is one particular forum where people will tend to talk about Tribe during outages - no need to name the place here - and in general, it's not a friendly place. GS tends to bring out a much nicer crowd.
By the way, just to make certain that there is no misunderstanding, in response to your point over on GS
> If you have had content removed and wish to appeal the decision,
> please write to help@tribe.net and we will work with you to restore
> your content if necessary.
I have not had any of my content removed by Tribe and personally have no complaints of that nature against the company. In fact, there is nothing that I can think of, right now, that really could unambiguously be called a complaint of mine against the company. There are features missing from our accounts here that I would like, but they aren't anything that I haven't been able to work around, and that's a completely different subject, anyway.
As far as I'm concerned, we're cool, and I hope Tribe feels the same way. I just saw this as being something that would be good for the site, and had been very surprised to see no section for Tribe over on GS. I wondered if maybe Tribe hadn't heard of that site, yet, or maybe this had been an oversight, and either way, saw this as being something easily fixed. When I'm a lot more awake and have a little time, I'll send you a PM with a link to one of the discussions I alluded to, above, and I think you'll agree that it's bad for Tribe if these are the only voices heard during an outage. Maybe even very bad - and during the last prolonged outage, that came very close to being the case.
I'd post the specifics here, but you know what happens when trolls are named in public. Nobody needs that headache. -
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Re: A forum for Tribe on GetSatisfaction.com
Thu, March 5, 2009 - 3:01 AM" one of the discussions I alluded to, above, and I think you'll agree that it's bad for Tribe if these are the only voices heard during an outage. Maybe even very bad - and during the last prolonged outage, that came very close to being the case. "
I agree wholeheartedly. I have seen those discussions, and that is the ugliest site I've run across. I'd been there early on, but found that most people there were the worst of the worst. At least as far as Tribe members go.
It started off well enough. As a place to chat when tribe was down. Friendly chat. Not any more though. It's vicious, and ignorant. Not one person posting over there this last outage had bothered to read the Company Blog, where it said the servers were being relocated.
I had been there and defended Darren before, as well as provided information on down times. But I won't do it anymore. Let them fester in their hostility and hopefully they won't come back. -
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Re: A forum for Tribe on GetSatisfaction.com
Sat, March 7, 2009 - 7:30 AMIf we're thinking of the same place, I can vouch for the ugliness. In one thread, somebody issued an actual call for genocide, to be directed indiscriminately against the entire population of the Islamic World, on the basis that he had seen some of that region's residents acting up in news footage. Almost nobody present seemed to object, and the few who did object, didn't do so with any great passion. I won't say that everything went downhill from there, because I don't believe that one can go very far downhill from there, but the atmosphere didn't ever seem to get much healthier.
One could see one of the users there cheering for the collapse of Tribe, saying that as this company went down, his would go up, and so if the users of Tribe lost their work, he might get a Christmas bonus, or something like that. In another thread, at about the same time, one could watch a mod threatening a user with the deletion of his threads for raising a little awareness about AIDS, the mod doing so in response to complaints that such awareness was reducing the willingness of female participants at an alleged arts event to have sex with total strangers.
It's still the 70s? Who knew? This was one of the creepiest places I've ever been online, and it's where Tribe's name is most often mentioned during outages. By a group of people who practically nobody would want to meet in a dark alley. I think you can see why I didn't want to lure that crowd into here. -
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Re: A forum for Tribe on GetSatisfaction.com
Sat, March 7, 2009 - 1:09 PMWow! I think we might be talking about different places!
I haven't seen what you mentioned.
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Re: A forum for Tribe on GetSatisfaction.com
Sun, March 8, 2009 - 5:59 AMwell, I am working with tribe about some trolls who have been doing serious basing in an increasingly voluminous, namecalling threatening defaming manner.
When moderators are absent things can get tricky.
I am sad to see 2 really good tribes go to trolls and defaming behavior.
Some things can be deleted and some are left.
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Re: A forum for Tribe on GetSatisfaction.com
Mon, March 9, 2009 - 5:57 PMCathy, I have a blog on defamation, that has a link to another site, check it out.
Sometimes the moderators just don't care. They don't care enough to protect what they created. And if the moderator is absent, then there isn't a lot that can be done.
I've seen some tribes go bad. It's such a loss. It's one thing if the tribe was originally full of trolls and sniping. I even enjoy that atmosphere at times. And participate. LOL!
But there are other tribes that were created and run for very different purposes. To talk about a specific issue or hobby or idea. Or to be a certain kind of humor. Not troll humor, but maybe jokes, or funny questions, or hilarious news articles, or more civilized and less sleazy humor. And then comes an invasion, and the humor changes. Totally changes.
I guess I like to have tribes that are very specific, so that they are kind of like movie ratings. If I go into a tribe which has traditionally been a G-rated, gentle humor, no swearing tribe, I don't expect to see people swearing or it turning into a sex talk tribe. You know what I mean?
Likewise, I was told in one troll tribe that it was indeed a troll tribe and it wasn't going to change. So that it would always be people attacking each other or talking about attacking some other place. Like an R-rating for verbal violence. LOL!
And there are X-rated tribes too. I just don't expect to see sex and violence in a G-rated movie, and I don't really want to see it in a G-rated tribe either. Moderators have to be like editors and remove the stuff (posts or members) that doesn't fit their "movie". -
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Re: A forum for Tribe on GetSatisfaction.com
Mon, March 9, 2009 - 8:01 PMthanks djarum. I shall look.
I have ridden the storm and it has died down. Mostly directed at me drom one person upset about a poetry thread and another who is an alt of one who got away with a huge characterization because I called him on his stalking a woman in real life.
I do not need internet drama for my life purpose.
Leavign rtribes where one no longer feels safe; learns or shares menaingful conversation is important. In a way the bullies win. In a way I hav eoutgrown need to be in those tribes and have graduated to another level of learning.
i am workign on a book, so when energy awarness and developing psychic abilities tuyrn into namecalling not sharing ideas about a narticle or well-know theory then I must mov on.
Thanks again.
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