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Question about kinky content

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I have two related questions about kinky content (photos and text):

1. Can I keep kinky content in my profile, as viewable only by friends?

2. As a moderator of two kinky tribes, can I keep kinky content, if the tribe are now a "private" tribe?

Thanks in advance for any reply!
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  • Re: Question about kinky content

    Tue, December 20, 2005 - 3:53 PM
    Thanks for the questions.

    Content that portrays obscenity, pornography, and sexually explicit conduct is prohibited by our Terms of Use and Code of Conduct, which you can read by clicking the "Terms of Use" link at the bottom of the page.

    With the new privacy controls, you have the ability to control who can see your content.

    If you're at all concerned with the level of appropriateness, you may want to make things private/friends only, as we've introduced new Community Flagging tools that allow any member of the community to flag items that they view on the site and find offensive.

    Hope that helps!
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      Re: Question about kinky content

      Tue, December 20, 2005 - 4:04 PM
      Sounds a bit like a Catch 22 situation!

      If I have kinky photos, they will be changed from public to "friends only". However, I don't have the fright to have any kinky photos. So, what's the "friends only" for?

      And, same thing with public tribe vs private tribe. What can I possibly do in a private tribe that I can't do in a public one?
  • Re: Question about kinky content

    Tue, December 20, 2005 - 4:32 PM
    Sissy- you talking about pictures or words?

    Cause right now, the only that can be flagged is pictures.

    This is what I was talking about before, regardless of the tribe general discussion, as long as your pictures are compliant, why stay private?

    --S
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      Re: Question about kinky content

      Tue, December 20, 2005 - 4:48 PM
      Hi Shatter! I'm talking about both pictures and words.

      I just received a private tribe message from Wade. It says that I, as a moderator, am "particularly responsible for content in your tribe".

      He's asking me to "remove all content that portrays pornography, obscenity, and sexually explicit conduct". This is not just about images!

      Ok, right now, you can only flag pictures. But, because this is about "content", not just pictures - I think it's logical to assume that after the pictures have been dealt with, they are coming after our words too...


      • Re: Question about kinky content

        Tue, December 20, 2005 - 5:37 PM
        i'm having issues with the photos part, too, to be honest.
        is it "community standard" kink, or any kink?
        cause they keep saying we can make it private to avoid it being flagged... but... is it by community standard, this TOU, or is it at all?
        and if it's a private tribe, can we get dirty and raunchy there?
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          Re: Question about kinky content

          Tue, December 20, 2005 - 6:09 PM
          " i'm having issues with the photos part, too, to be honest.
          is it "community standard" kink, or any kink?
          cause they keep saying we can make it private to avoid it being flagged... but... is it by community standard, this TOU, or is it at all?
          and if it's a private tribe, can we get dirty and raunchy there?"

          Technically speaking, _No_. See below.



          "4. Code of Conduct

          You will not use the Service in a way that is against the law or harms Tribe, our members, partners, affiliates, service providers, partners or suppliers. We may tell you about harmful uses but have no duty to do so. You will comply with the Code of Conduct and other notices we provide. You may review the Code of Conduct at any time at www.tribe.net/pub,Code.vm. Violations of the Code of Conduct may result in the termination of access or deletion of content without notice. We reserve the right to cancel, suspend, or block access to the Service in whole or part at any time"

          "1. Conduct and Content

          While using or accessing the Service--directly or indirectly--you agree to take a constructive tone and practice good etiquette and courtesy and you agree NOT to:
          a. .....

          b. post, publish, or transmit any text, graphics, or material that is illegal or violates local and national laws or that contains, encourages, advocates, or expresses: obscenity, pornography, sexually explicit conduct, child pornography, the making or buying of illegal weapons or illegal drugs, hatred, bigotry, racism, profanity, vulgarity or gratuitous violence or use of weapons;

          .....

          Seems... to me way tooo restrictive...on speech....
          Though some of it is kewl...

          Rapture
          • Re: Question about kinky content

            Tue, December 20, 2005 - 6:37 PM
            so text IS a part of this.
            • Re: Question about kinky content

              Tue, December 20, 2005 - 6:41 PM
              Technically, but so is trolling and flaming, both of which myself and LOT of other people are guilty of.

              I say do what thou wilt until directly told otherwise.

              --S
              • Re: Question about kinky content

                Wed, December 21, 2005 - 2:08 PM
                but Shatter. they make it really clear, they don't have to tell you anything, they can just terminate your account and delete everything in your profile.
                • Re: Question about kinky content

                  Wed, December 21, 2005 - 3:47 PM
                  They've also made it clear they don't want to delete content, thus why the created the "Friends Only" class for content.

                  The funny thing is, peopel for the last year and longer on this tribe have been asking for the ability to make their pictures "friends only". Now that they give it as an option people are griping. It's funny in an ironic way.

                  Also, they can delete your account at any time for any reason. That's always a given on ANY system. Every site retains that right.

                  --S
      • Re: Question about kinky content

        Tue, December 20, 2005 - 6:39 PM
        I got the same letter. It was a form letter to everyone.

        My take: Flagging is on pictures only, and those are the MAJOR side of 2257 compliance. Obscenity is a harder one to prove, and as such is base don teh community standards (can't believe I'm reiterating this again)

        As such, I view each tribe itself as a community, and not teh site as a whole. In order to gripe about a community, public or private, one should belong to said community.

        As such, the 2257 compliance for graphics may be specific, where as the words are a little looser in all truth, and i don't care what anyone has to say about that. Historically and with case law it's MUCH harder to get obscenity charges against words written than pictures.

        This, Why I say that IMHO, if a tribe is clear of explicit picture, make it public, see what happenes. I mean, you know what the worst is right?

        You get flagged and get made private automatically after enough people bother to flag it.

        However... and this is the part I love... there is no way to flag a tribes text. The provision isn't there. Only for listings, events and the pictures within a tribe.

        This, I always follow the letter of the law in so far as the tools that are available allow the law to be enforced.

        ;)

        --S
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          Re: Question about kinky content

          Tue, December 20, 2005 - 7:36 PM
          Wrong...
          My response is below:

          " I got the same letter. It was a form letter to everyone.

          My take: Flagging is on pictures only, and those are the MAJOR side of 2257 compliance. Obscenity is a harder one to prove, and as such is base don teh community standards (can't believe I'm reiterating this again)"

          I dont know if you, Shatter, actually read 2257, but speaks loudly to documenation of person's age who are depicted in various sexually explicited conduct (acts).
          In the text of 18 U.S.C. 2257 there is not one word about "flagging" or any intent of what "flagging" does. NOT ONE WORD.... (the text of 2257 is below).
          The content is still on Tribe, and undocumented, and subject to 2257, if it be flagged for friends only or "publically accessible".

          "As such, I view each tribe itself as a community, and not teh site as a whole. In order to gripe about a community, public or private, one should belong to said community."

          This is just limiting access, nothing more..... Flagging?
          I believe the intent is that if flagged for friends or on a tribe that those thereon will not care one way or the other.

          "As such, the 2257 compliance for graphics may be specific, where as the words are a little looser in all truth, and i don't care what anyone has to say about that. Historically and with case law it's MUCH harder to get obscenity charges against words written than pictures."

          Wrong again...
          2257 makes difference between words (text), or pictures that depict sexual explicit conduct (As defined therein).

          "This, Why I say that IMHO, if a tribe is clear of explicit picture, make it public, see what happenes. I mean, you know what the worst is right?"

          No, the content probably is still there...just not as accessable.

          "You get flagged and get made private automatically after enough people bother to flag it.

          However... and this is the part I love... there is no way to flag a tribes text. The provision isn't there. Only for listings, events and the pictures within a tribe."

          Because Wade didnt want to lose all of the users so he went down the perverbal middle. Yet, still missed the boat.

          "This, I always follow the letter of the law in so far as the tools that are available allow the law to be enforced."

          The law 18 U.S.C. 2257 is below..do read it.

          Rapture

          Source: www.findlaw.com

          Section 2257. Record keeping requirements

          (a) Whoever produces any book, magazine, periodical, film,
          videotape, or other matter which -
          (1) contains one or more visual depictions made after November
          1, 1990 of actual sexually explicit conduct; and
          (2) is produced in whole or in part with materials which have
          been mailed or shipped in interstate or foreign commerce, or is
          shipped or transported or is intended for shipment or
          transportation in interstate or foreign commerce;
          shall create and maintain individually identifiable records
          pertaining to every performer portrayed in such a visual depiction.
          (b) Any person to whom subsection (a) applies shall, with respect
          to every performer portrayed in a visual depiction of actual
          sexually explicit conduct -
          (1) ascertain, by examination of an identification document
          containing such information, the performer's name and date of
          birth, and require the performer to provide such other indicia of
          his or her identity as may be prescribed by regulations;
          (2) ascertain any name, other than the performer's present and
          correct name, ever used by the performer including maiden name,
          alias, nickname, stage, or professional name; and
          (3) record in the records required by subsection (a) the
          information required by paragraphs (1) and (2) of this subsection
          and such other identifying information as may be prescribed by
          regulation.
          (c) Any person to whom subsection (a) applies shall maintain the
          records required by this section at his business premises, or at
          such other place as the Attorney General may by regulation
          prescribe and shall make such records available to the Attorney
          General for inspection at all reasonable times.
          (d)(1) No information or evidence obtained from records required
          to be created or maintained by this section shall, except as
          provided in this section, directly or indirectly, be used as
          evidence against any person with respect to any violation of law.
          (2) Paragraph (1) of this subsection shall not preclude the use
          of such information or evidence in a prosecution or other action
          for a violation of this section or for a violation of any
          applicable provision of law with respect to the furnishing of false
          information.
          (e)(1) Any person to whom subsection (a) applies shall cause to
          be affixed to every copy of any matter described in paragraph (1)
          of subsection (a) of this section, in such manner and in such form
          as the Attorney General shall by regulations prescribe, a statement
          describing where the records required by this section with respect
          to all performers depicted in that copy of the matter may be
          located.
          (2) If the person to whom subsection (a) of this section applies
          is an organization the statement required by this subsection shall
          include the name, title, and business address of the individual
          employed by such organization responsible for maintaining the
          records required by this section.
          (f) It shall be unlawful -
          (1) for any person to whom subsection (a) applies to fail to
          create or maintain the records as required by subsections (a) and
          (c) or by any regulation promulgated under this section;
          (2) for any person to whom subsection (a) applies knowingly to
          make any false entry in or knowingly to fail to make an
          appropriate entry in, any record required by subsection (b) of
          this section or any regulation promulgated under this section;
          (3) for any person to whom subsection (a) applies knowingly to
          fail to comply with the provisions of subsection (e) or any
          regulation promulgated pursuant to that subsection; and
          (4) for any person knowingly to sell or otherwise transfer, or
          offer for sale or transfer, any book, magazine, periodical, film,
          video, or other matter, produce in whole or in part with
          materials which have been mailed or shipped in interstate or
          foreign commerce or which is intended for shipment in interstate
          or foreign commerce, which -
          (A) contains one or more visual depictions made after the
          effective date of this subsection of actual sexually explicit
          conduct; and
          (B) is produced in whole or in part with materials which have
          been mailed or shipped in interstate or foreign commerce, or is
          shipped or transported or is intended for shipment or
          transportation in interstate or foreign commerce;
          which does not have affixed thereto, in a manner prescribed as
          set forth in subsection (e)(1), a statement describing where the
          records required by this section may be located, but such person
          shall have no duty to determine the accuracy of the contents of
          the statement or the records required to be kept.
          (g) The Attorney General shall issue appropriate regulations to
          carry out this section.
          (h) As used in this section -
          (1) the term ''actual sexually explicit conduct'' means actual
          but not simulated conduct as defined in subparagraphs (A) through
          (D) of paragraph (2) of section 2256 of this title;
          (2) ''identification document'' has the meaning given that term
          in section 1028(d) of this title;
          (3) the term ''produces'' means to produce, manufacture, or
          publish any book, magazine, periodical, film, video tape or other
          similar matter and includes the duplication, reproduction, or
          reissuing of any such matter, but does not include mere
          distribution or any other activity which does not involve hiring,
          contracting for managing, or otherwise arranging for the
          participation of the performers depicted; and
          (4) the term ''performer'' includes any person portrayed in a
          visual depiction engaging in, or assisting another person to
          engage in, actual sexually explicit conduct.
          (i) Whoever violates this section shall be imprisoned for not
          more than 2 years, and fined in accordance with the provisions of
          this title, or both. Whoever violates this section after having
          been convicted of a violation punishable under this section shall
          be imprisoned for any period of years not more than 5 years but not
          less than 2 years, and fined in accordance with the provisions of
          this title, or both.

          • Re: Question about kinky content

            Tue, December 20, 2005 - 8:45 PM
            Quit spamming you fucking asshole.

            Jesus, are you OCD or something? You do that on every single reply you make on every fucking thread about 2257.

            --S
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              Re: Question about kinky content

              Tue, December 20, 2005 - 8:54 PM
              " Quit spamming you fucking asshole.

              Jesus, are you OCD or something? You do that on every single reply you make on every fucking thread about 2257.

              --S"

              What colorful metaphors....

              Ya know, Shatter, all through this 2257 stuff you have been saying this or that all over numerous Tribes, some of it was dead on, but most of it and especially about 2257 is just incorrect.

              ...and yes sometimes I am an asshole, but at least I can read a law, along with other nice things in regards to the same.

              What you have been telling people about 2257 is incorrect.

              Rapture
              • Re: Question about kinky content

                Tue, December 20, 2005 - 9:01 PM
                I can read the law.

                I know what the law says.

                As stated, I just don't give a shit.

                Lip service complaince is plenty fine, unles syou're trying to tell us that you work for the DOJ and if we don't comply 100% you're going to shut this place down.

                Is that what you're trying to tell us without setting up an entrapment situation where the case would get dismissed?

                --S
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                  Re: Question about kinky content

                  Tue, December 20, 2005 - 9:07 PM
                  If you say the fuck word that means there are dirty thoughts in your head...unpure, unclean...non-christian.

                  Bad!

                  I'm flaggin' you fuckerheads!!

                  ~MTS~
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                  Re: Question about kinky content

                  Tue, December 20, 2005 - 9:11 PM
                  " I can read the law.
                  I know what the law says."

                  I see.....

                  "As stated, I just don't give a shit."

                  Actually, I would disagree yet that would be off topic to explain. Yet, I will if you want me to.

                  "Lip service complaince is plenty fine, unles syou're trying to tell us that you work for the DOJ and if we don't comply 100% you're going to shut this place down."

                  First, I _do not_ work for the DOJ.
                  Second, I had my conversation with Wade as with many in email and came to a certain conclusion which was already represented. Yet, I will mention that Wade did indicate to me that they (Tribe) did see an attorney, which makes things even more odd......

                  "Is that what you're trying to tell us without setting up an entrapment situation where the case would get dismissed?"

                  Me sitting up anyone? Nah. Tribe is for Tribe, and not anyone else.

                  Rapture

                  P.S.

                  You did not state that you actually read 2257. I know you can read.
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                    Re: Question about kinky content

                    Wed, December 21, 2005 - 2:29 AM
                    Yes, I have read 2257. I have also read many essays about it. I have also talked with my friends in the porn industry who have had to deal with compliance. I started dealing with this last april.

                    Here's the simple truth: Tribe is not a porn site.

                    The changes made at tribe, in the official statement and the TOU support this.

                    First and foremost, they will be targeting porn sites. By removing tribe from the porn site radar, they have already signifigantly reduced their odds of getting investigated. As I like to say, they are now under the radar.

                    Every argument you have made has been based on pedantic nitpicking about the law. Honestly, go discuss it on a legal tribe. It's more appropriate and you'll have a far better group to shred you a new asshole. Then again, maybe thats' why you're so persisant here. Who knows.

                    As I've said, what is said, and what is practiced are two different things. Here are the simple facts, and blabbering about 2257 and continueing to spam with the law isn't going to change anything:

                    - Tribe bars sexually explicit content.
                    - Tribe emplyees don't have time or resources to police a site of this nagnitude
                    - Users have the ability to bring violations to the systems attention where an automated system will make the descisions about content
                    - Tribe will rely on the users and the automated system in order to follow the later part of community standards, miller test, and what is obscene.

                    It's about that simple.

                    So, if you want to post ina private tribe all sorts of violations then you can. You are violating the TOU, nobody is argueing that, and yes, Tribe can be liable for that content, again, no arguement.

                    However by that same token of they don't know about it, they can't do anything about it. If nobody says anything then they won't know about it to do anything about it.

                    They have plausable deniability.

                    Nothing in the law forbids them for using an automated system. Nothing in the law says that all content must be inspected and reviwed by a human staff memeber of the host company.

                    2257 is about PREVENTING the creation of child pornography, and not the barring of minors from viewing pornography. If it were about barring them, the Larry Flint couldn't do this --

                    FlyntDigital is pleased to announce that ALL of its promotional tools and tours are fully compliant with the 2257 regs and you can feel confident in using HUSTLER pre-approved content. All free Hustler content requires no documentation on your part as it is completely free of sexually-explicit depictions.

                    One very important point we want to make to all our loyal affiliates: FlyntDigital will not be held responsible for use of any unauthorized content. Only pre-approved content appearing on FlyntDigital.com is authorized for use in promoting our websites. This is for your protection as well as ours. Hustler intends on doing everthing in it's power to assist the long term survival of it's dedicated affiliate base.

                    For any questions or comments about this new promotion or any other FlyntDigital services, contact either Laurel Hertz or Mike Cardone aka ESNEM at Laurel@Hustler.com or Esnem@Hustler.com

                    Sincerely,

                    The FlyntDigital Team

                    -- Legally. Note, this is the KEY part

                    "All free Hustler content requires no documentation on your part as it is completely free of sexually-explicit depictions."

                    Now, here's a link to what's free:

                    www.hustler.com/v5/index.php

                    So, larry Flint for all his bravado, is putting this right out there and saying "This isn't sexually explicit so I don't have to have no stinking papers for these pictures."

                    --S
                    • Re: Question about kinky content

                      Wed, December 21, 2005 - 2:41 PM
                      Thats lovely for Hustler fans, but as a fan of fetish diva Midori, I'm a bit bummed that she's shut down her website out of fear of 2257 repercussions.
                      • Re: Question about kinky content

                        Wed, December 21, 2005 - 3:56 PM
                        I'm also a friend and fan of Midori.

                        I find the targeting of BDSM to be specifically annoying.

                        I'll talk with her about getting help to make her legally compliant and back online. I have friends that are willing to work pro-bono.

                        Shoudln't be too hard actually considering her models and photographers are easy o find. It's not like she's hosting a plethora of content, mostly just her own work.

                        Then again this whole 2257 could blow over and get recended like the Sundevil Fiasco of '91.

                        I gues sthat's why I'm so blase about all this. I've been there and done this many times. It's nothing new, however I guess I'm not being considerate to many of you who this is all so new. The gov't been doing this online since the first modems because available in the mid 80's, and for better or worse, I've been there the entire time.

                        Well, ok... during Sundevil many of us felt it was best to just turn the systems off, hide them away and go offline for a year or more. However, eventually teh case was tried and found to be unconstitutional and it was safe for us to talk online again.

                        I mean, you guys think this is bad, imagine what would happen if the Gov't announced that since Eletcronic text was not "Written" and you couldn't REALLY tell who typed it, it was not covered by the 1st ammendment and thus has no protection. Imagine it for a minute. Many of us lived with that horrid reality. It was VERY scarey.

                        In fact, my saying something like "Well, you know, if you combine DOT 3 Brake fluid and Pool grade chloine it will violently explode" was all the DOJ needed to issue a warrent, arrest you, confiscate all your electronic equipment, notes and data, and hold it for up to three years without recourse.

                        Never mind that data can be found in public libraries. That didn't matter, that it was digital text it was no longer protected.

                        --S
  • Re: Question about kinky content

    Tue, December 20, 2005 - 6:25 PM
    You know, I would just like to know what all is considered to be kinky! To someone with a dirty little mind like mine, a shoe would fall into that (very broad) category. Good thing I am liberal!
    • Re: Question about kinky content

      Tue, December 20, 2005 - 6:40 PM
      Kinky is using a feather, perverted is using the whole chicken.

      --S
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        Re: Question about kinky content

        Tue, December 20, 2005 - 6:49 PM
        (To Shatter:) Yes, maybe so. But if that's the case, then the problem here is that the feather and the chicken are all mixed. The rules are so vague that almost anything could fall under the ax, or maybe I should say the flag..
        • Re: Question about kinky content

          Tue, December 20, 2005 - 6:53 PM
          You make it sound as though flagging a photo makes for an immediate deletion and that is not the explanation we have received.
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            Re: Question about kinky content

            Tue, December 20, 2005 - 7:24 PM
            "You make it sound as though flagging a photo makes for an immediate deletion and that is not the explanation we have received."

            Have you ever shopped for a car, or maybe a house, or an appliance, or some other like kind item that involved a sales person?

            Sometimes, these people will _say_ most anything for you to just sign the bottom line. What counts is not what Wade or anyone has said at this point (maybe later though), but what is in the black and white, or in the contract.

            The best sales people are those who befriend you. . . .

            I have a bridge for sale, its golden, well contructed, time proven, and earthquake tested. Cheap!

            Rapture
            • Re: Question about kinky content

              Tue, December 20, 2005 - 7:28 PM
              why are you still here?

              Just to complain?

              Why don't you see how things play out instead of existing only to portray the role of Negator Superhero of all things Negative.
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                Re: Question about kinky content

                Tue, December 20, 2005 - 8:06 PM
                "why are you still here?"

                Because I can be.

                "Just to complain?"

                Besides Shatter grossely mistating 2257? Seems what I did was to just set the mistatement correct. If you do not like my statement, you surely need not read nor respond.

                "Why don't you see how things play out instead of existing only to portray the role of Negator Superhero of all things Negative."

                I have seen a lot of "negative" lately, along with a lot of disinformation from both Tribe, and small majority of users of Tribe (yes that is an oxymoron and purposely worded as one).

                Rapture
                • Re: Question about kinky content

                  Tue, December 20, 2005 - 8:50 PM
                  Ok see, you seem to be missing my point entirely.

                  I don't give two fucked about 2257. Really. I don't. It can go and fuckitself sideway right the first available ass it finds.

                  The simple truth is, regardless of technicalities and legaleze (almost everything is illeagal if you look at the fine print in laws) is that if things out of sight, they are out of mind. Plain and simple.

                  No gov't agent is going to sit and pour over all text on tribe to see if anything MIGHT be offensive. There are far better places to go do that on. The simple thing is "Are images that are explicit going to show up on a google image search of tribe"

                  That's it. That's the simple truth of the matter. You can go reposting the fucking law until your Control-C breaks for all it matters. It doesn't change a thing between what is written, and what is practiced.

                  --S
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                    Re: Question about kinky content

                    Wed, December 21, 2005 - 3:29 PM
                    Tribe has some of the most edgy, disgusting, racist, offensive, cruel, unusual, sexist, pornographic, sexually explicit and downright bizarre stuff i've ever seen all in one place. i liked it that way.

                    there is totally stuff on tribe to interest the porn squad. because it is a social networking site they should be interested in it for lots of reasons.

                    1- tribe does not have any way of verifying age. there could easily be kids on here. feds get lots of cred when they "protect children".

                    2- producers of porn and sexually explicit materials have been doing LOTS of social networking on tribe. this is a good way to swoop in and find all kinds of folks who are connected to all kinds of other folks who all produce some kind of sexually explicit material. they could file hundreds of claims under 2257 against users here just by surfing for one day.

                    3- now private tribes will be an easy way to track down all kinds of people into things the gov't thinks are illegal. you can be persued for what you say in a chat room, why not a tribe. what you say in a sex workers tribe could be very interesting to a gov't agent who would like to go after sex workers or johns. an agent could hear that tribes of sex workers exist on tribe and supeona those tribes looking for johns and sex workers who may be evading taxes or filing false tax returns and bingo, there they are. if you do run a private tribe for sex workers i would think you wouldn't call it something with sex worker in the name, but who knows if that is the case. lawyerly types will probably rip this to post to shreds, but i think that what i say makes sense.

                    of interest to other authorities:

                    4- there is lots of talk about illegal drugs here on tribe, feds could be quite interested in that as everyone who talks about how great their last trip was had to have a dealer to provide the party favors.

                    5- tribe is a social networking site. they are great places for terrorists to communicate. with the right code a sleeper cell could plot a whole bombing. i would not be surprised if there was regular surveilance at friendster, myspace, tribe, popular technology forums/chat sites, all kinds of places. anyplace where people can seemingly anoymously communicate within scads of other masking traffic with others (esp internationally) is likely to already be watched by the feds at some level or other.

                    Tribe has as much as said they won't help you.

                    6. Tribe is ENCOURAGING flagging. They WANT to clean up the site. Wade stooped to such a depth as to mimic the language of the President in reminding people to take their citizenship seriously and turn in their neighbors.

                    They (tribe) also contractually inform you that they WILL turn you in to authorities.

                    "3. Monitoring and Disclosure

                    We may monitor your communications and may disclose content and information about you, including contents of communications, if we deem it reasonably necessary to: (1) conform to legal requirements or respond to legal process; (2) ensure your compliance with this Service Agreement including maintaining this Service and the Code of Conduct; or (3) protect the rights, property, personal safety or interests of Tribe, its employees, its customers, or the public. "

                    tribe will cover it's own ass. they have already shown they believe in snitching. with that sentiment so publicly expressed as a part of their values why should we believe they won't put those values into practice against their users the way they encourage their users to do it to each other.
            • Re: Question about kinky content

              Tue, December 20, 2005 - 8:09 PM
              Hey Rapture.

              I'm not sure if you remember me, but we spent an evening or two painting together recently-- "goes on brown, dries black." I'm not sure whether that gives me any more credibility with you when I tell you that it's not the case that your photo goes away as soon as one person decides they don't like it.
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                Re: Question about kinky content

                Tue, December 20, 2005 - 8:17 PM
                Yup...patti I do remember... ya... hehe

                "I'm not sure whether that gives me any more credibility with you when I tell you that it takes more than one person flagging a photo as offensive to have it removed from the system, but I'm telling you that."

                Let see, flag, notification, opportunity to remove, refuseal to remove or compliance, <bitches back and forth for a bit>, refuseal to remove or compliance, and removal either by the compliance or by Tribe.

                Is that close?

                Rapture

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