Remove the term "Pastafarian" as an "official" religious option in profiles.

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Tribe.net is a great place for free ideas and seems very accepting. But when I went to fill in my religion in my profile (and though I didnt expect it to be listed) I was confronted with a mockery of our name, Ras TafarI. Our Name is very personal and sacred and I feel that tribe.net is not being all it could be by choosing to offically include an insulting mockery of it in areas that everyone is confronted with. I applaud tribe.net for having the courage to provide a space for "pastafarians" to legally express themselves, though the legality of such expression is currently under review, But feel that its offical promotion through its decision to include the term pastafarian as a preset option in a members relgious profile, a term that is taken as mocking, racist, and oppresive to millions of people is itself a decleration of support for racism, relgious paritality, and close minded hatred. I think that pastafarians or anyone for that matter should have a choice to "write in" thier religion, but I should not for example be able to appeal to tribe to list my religion- As Followers of the "f*ck the Fags" god, For everyone to see. Thanks for your time. Please help tribe be a place free of oppresion.
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  • deja vu

    Mon, April 30, 2007 - 7:30 PM
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      Re: deja vu

      Mon, April 30, 2007 - 7:48 PM
      This post is actually quite different as in my earlier dialogue I did not specifically ask tribe.net to do anything.
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        Re: deja vu

        Mon, April 30, 2007 - 7:54 PM
        And attempts to belittle my efforts by titleing a post linking it with a previous conversation regarding the same issue, deja vu, is an ignorant attempt at denial. You mIght as well call be a troll, right away : )
        • Re: deja vu

          Mon, April 30, 2007 - 8:10 PM
          wasn't trying to belittle. just didn't see the difference between this and the other thread.

          but just so you know, this tribe is no longer officially moderated or monitored.
          brainstorm is the official tribe now.
  • The legality of such an expression is currently under review? By whom? And where is the evidence that the term Pastafarian is taken as mocking, racist and oppresive to millions? Other than you I have not even seen anyone protest this term. I am not saying it doesn't happen but can you please supply the evidence? Perhaps then more of us can understand what it is you are getting at.
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      I know this isn't the offical tribe, becasue I was unjustly removed from that one. I and I are currently considering the legality of the public usage of the term pastafarian. Yes, I can supply the evidence that millions of people find the term Pastafarian being listed alongside recognized religions such as Islam oppresive, but seeing as you have no authority to even ask such a question, of course I will not.
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        Regarding the term itself being oppressive. It can be said that RasTafarI IS a race of people. Meaning the public defamation of said people is a form of oppression.
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          > It can be said that RasTafarI IS a race of people.

          It can be said but that doesn't make it reality. Rastafari is a modern religious movement, not a genome submutation, you silly.
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            > Rastafari is a modern religious movement, not a genome submutation, you silly.

            Fool. RasTafarI is a living man. There are criteria beyond genome submutation that fomulate a race.
            • elijah, i sympathize with you and am constantly amazed at the seriously unfair and unjust practices of the
              tribe staff. the trolls here mocking you have no consience and no integrity.

              You should not have been removed from tribe ideas just for trying to get somehing done about this issue,
              but then tribe is in some ways a trollocracy.

              I would like to point out to you however that the term pastafarianism was never intended to poke fun at or make
              light of rastafarianism, its a poke at christianity which incidentally uses some cultural theft in a twisted and some
              might argue a humorous way.

              most pastafarianists wouldn't even know that theres a real movement that the humor movement rhymes with.

              in some senses i think its fair to say that you may be somewhat over reacting to an agreeably poor political fu pa,
              however, it would behoove tribe not to alienate rastafarians in such a way.

              please feel free to contact me privately if theres anything i can do to help you, tho please know that tribe staff
              and i are not speaking to each other allready due to ther gross negligence and lack of a spine combined
              with their ignorance and their love of their pet trolls.

              Tribe staff are computer geeks. They don't have any knowledge to speak of about sociology or ethics or psychology
              or political science, and they are comfortable in their ignorance and self assured that by creating a good product they
              can simply avoid and deny all social culpability and responsibility and problems. They are simply unprepared to deal
              with any kind of real ethics issue, they aren't ethical people, they are trolls and troll keepers.

              They lack the understanding to realize that no amount of computer geek skills will in the end save their site if they
              don't compete on the level of providing justice and social order.

              right now, they don't seem to beleive that it is their responsibility to do either.
              • Wow! Now we are called Trolls for simply disagreeing with someone? That is all it takes these days huh?

                Is Tribe alienating Rastafarians? We have yet to hear from more than one who calls himself a Rastafarian on this particular issue and when asked to show more evidence of said alienation and oppression he has excuses not to. I don't think any real conclusions can be drawn bases on what we have seen thus far.
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                  > Wow! Now we are called Trolls for simply disagreeing with someone? That is all it takes these days huh?

                  Yes. If you don't agree you're an enemy that must be dehumanized and destroyed. Yet more social fallout from religious fanaticism. If only we could do something about those darned "fu pa"

                  =0)
                  • This is the maximum depth. Additional responses will not be threaded.
                    LOL!
                    • that you disagree with someone is one thing. that you attack them, make fun of them, make light of their situation,
                      and fail to make any attempt at real communication is what makes you trolls.

                      maybe you hadn't heard; if you can't say anything good, don't say anything at all.

                      when it comes to problems, the corallary is if you can't be part of the solution, you are part of the problem.

                      and yes, the whole lot of you are reprehensible and utterly disgust me and anybody with a conscience.
                      • Nope, sorry but you are totally clueless and perhaps even challenged in the department of reading comprehension. I asked for evidence and clarification. See below:
                        "The legality of such an expression is currently under review? By whom? And where is the evidence that the term Pastafarian is taken as mocking, racist and oppresive to millions? Other than you I have not even seen anyone protest this term. I am not saying it doesn't happen but can you please supply the evidence? Perhaps then more of us can understand what it is you are getting at."

                        He responded with negativity so I gave him a bit of his own medicine in return. Are we now to conclude via your posts that to ask someone to clarify and supply evidence for their assertions is a form of attack and trolling? Interesting.
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                          He responded with negativity so I gave him a bit of his own medicine in return. Are we now to conclude via your posts that to ask someone to clarify and supply evidence for their assertions is a form of attack and trolling? Interesting.


                          You asked me if I can supply evidence and I told you I could. Now your accusing me of responding negatively? Again, on what authority do you demand knowledge of the locatioin of my evidence.
                      • prometheus,

                        "...and yes, the whole lot of you are reprehensible and utterly disgust me and anybody with a conscience..."

                        that kinda hurt my feelings :(
                        • deia, do you jump on bandwagons to hurt people or chase them off because they do unpopular or slightly
                          lame things?

                          if you are guilty, then let that arrow hit home and wake you up. If you aren't guilty, then you know perfectly well
                          it doesn't apply to you and whom i am adressing.

                          I apologize for using potentially overgeneralized and absolutist terms.

                          WA;

                          no, you don't have a troll yet, you have somebody whos suspiciously a lot like a troll as near as you can tell.

                          eli-jah,

                          if you think i'm in your way, then you do have some reality problems.

                          if on the other hand you want at least one person to discuss this with you rationally, i'm probably your only
                          chance.

                          You aren't in the position to tell tribe to unlist pasta farianism, however, you are in a position to request the addition
                          of rastafarianism a safe distance away from pasta farianism.

                          until you can admit your own minor problems you cannot fix them, and until you do that, only aspies
                          are going to care enough to bother to listen to you rather than ridicule you.
                          • your choice elijah.

                            take the one nice person whos offering you their hand, or shoo them off.

                            i have no interest in this other than aspies are intrigued by anything with the air of
                            underdog in it.

                            go ahead, snap at the one hand thats trying to be nice to you and see how quickly nobody
                            at all will ever give you another chance.

                            OR

                            take a few deep breathes, reveiw the facts, read the wikipedia article on pastafarianism and realize
                            that its not a racist slur, just a very very bad and unfortunate coincidence.

                            Then realize that you still have a legitamate complaint because it >>sounds like<< a racial slur,
                            and that the thing that you can legitamately ask for and hope to receive is your own listing of rastafarianism.

                            the choice is up to you.

                            peace and light to all
                            prometheuspan

                            ps
                            WA
                            i'm beginning to think... maybe i have been harsh.
                            if so, i'm sorry.



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                              The wikipedia argument proves nothing to me. Your own admission that it "sounds like" a racial slur should be enough for the people here to discontinue thier joke. Just because someone of that ilk ran off to wikipedia doesnt mean that RasTafarI didnt have a definition of pastafari long before it. That you claim to be rational but that the term pastafarian similarity to rastafaraian in the context of a religion is a coincidence is laughable. You are not here to help me, but benefit yourself in that when my cause is found just you can say that you were the first to have supported me. As Ive said before, irregardless of what the person using it thinks, Pastafarian is a facist, violent slander. I am fully aware of the legitmacy of my request. The only reaction thats possible is for others to demonstrate how true it is, whether by choosing to listen to reason, or by providing the world with more facist behavior for anylization. By your logic I could start a religion called "fag kill" that worships a g-d that uses human beings to kill homosexuals, ask tribe to list it, and because it was under the guise of religion it should be tolerated. That I am presently alone in my complaint means absoutely nothing in regards to its validity. The elitism and unwillingness to listen, your promethues, readiness to call me weird or problematic, is the most disturbing thing I have seen in a long time. This has got to be the most vain place online. I asked the pastafarians why their religion is not called pastarian, if it were not a direct assault on the term Rastafarian. No answer was forthcoming. The terms public promtion constitutes slander, of which tribe.net and all those supporting it are complicit.
                              But beyond that, that tribe.net would rather feel giddy about thier joke than honor the most important religious movement in the world right now, just shows how insulated and out of touch virutally everyone who uses this service is.
                              • The wikipedia argument proves nothing to me. Your own admission that it "sounds like" a racial slur should be enough for the people here to discontinue thier joke.
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                                THE JOKE ISN'T INTENTIONALLY RACIST.
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                                Just because someone of that ilk ran off to wikipedia doesnt mean that RasTafarI didnt have a definition of pastafari long before it.
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                                thats sounding nonsensical.
                                ----


                                That you claim to be rational but that the term pastafarian similarity to rastafaraian in the context of a religion is a coincidence is laughable. You are not here to help me, but benefit yourself in that when my cause is found just you can say that you were the first to have supported me.

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                                you seem determined to have me be the LAST person that supported you.
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                                As Ive said before, irregardless of what the person using it thinks, Pastafarian is a facist, violent slander.
                                ----
                                as i am trying to explain to you, thats not how it was intended and if you take it that way all anybody will do
                                is look at you and decide you needed a thicker skin and some hobbies.
                                ---


                                I am fully aware of the legitmacy of my request.
                                ----
                                are you fully aware that some of th things you are asking for are silly and won't be given to you no matter how much noise you make?
                                ----

                                The only reaction thats possible is for others to demonstrate how true it is, whether by choosing to listen to reason, or by providing the world with more facist behavior for anylization. By your logic I could start a religion called "fag kill" that worships a g-d that uses human beings to kill homosexuals, ask tribe to list it, and because it was under the guise of religion it should be tolerated.
                                -----
                                you know, my logic never made such fantastic loops, and i am feeling pretty done.
                                ----


                                That I am presently alone in my complaint means absoutely nothing in regards to its validity.
                                -----
                                true.
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                                The elitism and unwillingness to listen, your promethues, readiness to call me weird or problematic, is the most disturbing thing I have seen in a long time. This has got to be the most vain place online. I asked the pastafarians why their religion is not called pastarian, if it were not a direct assault on the term Rastafarian. No answer was forthcoming. The terms public promtion constitutes slander, of which tribe.net and all those supporting it are complicit.
                                But beyond that, that tribe.net would rather feel giddy about thier joke than honor the most important religious movement in the world right now, just shows how insulated and out of touch virutally everyone who uses this service is.
                                -----

                                you included.

                                well, ciao.

                                wild apache, thanks for the warning, it seems you were right.

                                everybody else;

                                okay, i was wrong, apparently merciless fun poking is the best solution.

                                i apologize for sticking my nose in to it. Some people are just delusional and
                                thers no solving it till their bubble is popped.

                                eli,
                                when and if you quit playing the victim and start owning the fact that you are over -reacting and blowing things out of proportion,
                                let me know.
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                                  So heres the person who was "trying to help me" disecting my words to make wise cracks that mearly raises further questions as to the extent of his misunderstandings. When it became clear that I wasnt accepting his false pretenses of support, he just went ahead and admited that he was never on my side, he just thought he was. Whether or not the joke was intentionally racist to begin with is INCONSEQUENTIAL. My request alone for its removal is proof that it is. Reason dictates that the rastafarian nation, since its name is what the the term pastafarian is based on, has the final say in what the such a term means.
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                                    > My request alone for its removal is proof that it is.

                                    Thing is you didn't make a request.

                                    "Remove the term "Pastafarian" as an "official" religious option in profiles."

                                    It's a demand, precisely what you've been doing throughout this discussion.

                                    Flies....honey...do the math.
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                                      Articualting the idea that the term pastafarian is removed as a religious option on a board intended for ideas and discussion of ways to make tribe.net better and not a direct line into the authority of the website that would be ulimately responsible for making such an alteration, is a suggestion. This is the very nature of public forum that people here don't seem to realize. One can look at my statements as demands also if they like. I have no problem demanding it, and if anyone has a problem of it being demanded from them, then they should ask themselves why they assosiated themselves with such an idea to begin with.
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                                  ''are you fully aware that some of th things you are asking for are silly and won't be given to you no matter how much noise you make?"

                                  Of course not, What have I asked for that is silly? That our name RasTafarI cease to be desecrated in an orgy of facism? I need nothing be given to me, for my intentions regarding my invovlement with this situation and tribe.net have alrady been actualized. I have gotten want I wanted from this interaction. What tribe decides or neclects to do is no longer my responsibility or concern.
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                            You are really reaching now. "Until you admit your own problems." What do I, or any problems I may have, have to do with the resolution of the injustice being perpetrated by tribe.net? Please tell me.
                            True, if someone like you were in my way I would have reality problems. What I meant was that your presence so far has given the issue more contention than resolution. I am in exactly the position to tell tribe.net to unlist pastafarianism. It is I who find it racist and oppresive. And it is I who can support such a fact with evidence of others who will testify to the same. Tribe.nets decision is to remain a facist organization through their offical support of the pastafarian movement, or to relegate the term so as to only be availible upon request. After all this disccusion, I should no longer have tell anyone what the right thing to do is in this instance. But I realize that the "tribe" here is not concerned with the promotion of truth. So I expect the folly to continue. and my ability to share my knwoledge and experience here to continue to be limited by tribes official racist endorsements. Though would be plesantly suprised by the contrary and will continue to fight for my ability to use this service, unhindered by the ignorant "humor" of oppression.
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                  I want to respond to the question of whether or not tribe.net is alienating Rastafarians.

                  Simply put the answer is no, Tribe.net does not have the power to alienate Rastafarians.
                  Technically I and I dont know what a Rastafarian is. But in this instance I think it is a term refferencing the humans on the planet identifying themselves as Ras Tafari that the term pastafarian is a derivative of. Making the term an attempted mockery of ourselves. Im glad this won in court and Im going to continue to be glad when its attempted abuse sees justice.
                  • This is the maximum depth. Additional responses will not be threaded.

                    He responded with negativity so I gave him a bit of his own medicine in return. Are we now to conclude via your posts that to ask someone to clarify and supply evidence for their assertions is a form of attack and trolling? Interesting.

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                    just because you figure its all in good fun doesn't mean its not abusive.

                    just because his complaint is in some senses ludicrous doesn't mean that we are not called to answer with compassion instead
                    of pitchforked impish vehemence.

                    People have been taunting this person for a good two threads at least now. If even one tribe staff member had the decency to point
                    out some of the obvious and also give a listening ear, this person wouldn't be alienated, and we wouldn't have troll entertainment.
                    All it would have taken is one or two NICE people to be NICE instead of conveniently trollish and this whole thing could have been
                    averted and handled in a way that made winners out of everybody instead of attacking somebody who had a good reason in their mind
                    to feel sleighted.
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                      My complaint is in all sense reasonable.
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                        Nope. You're trying to downpress one religion to make yours look better.
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                          Everyone knows that cant be defended because pastafarianism is a joke, a parody religion. The fact that you now speak as if it were real relates to why the issue is one of facism. Orwellian.
                          • My complaint is in all sense reasonable.
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                            no, theres one thing you are missing.

                            the fact that pastafarianism rhymes with rastafarianism is for the most part a coincidence.
                            no sleight was intended, and since pastafarianism is a joke religion, few people make any sort
                            of association.

                            As far as your other statement regarding communication meltdown;

                            i am sorry to tell you that you have demonstrated some serious communication and also some more minor
                            cognitive errors esp in the post on the other thread.

                            While i am here to help you, helping you to some extent requires me to be frank with you.

                            You would have done much better to write a complaint as so

                            "dear tribe, i am a member of Rasta Fari, a noble religious tradition, and have noticed that pastafarianism,
                            a joke religion is listed in your materials. This seems like a sleight and a religious slur to me, and i would
                            appreciate discussing either including Rasta Fari in the list, or delisting the joke religion, or, perhaps creating
                            clear religion categories so that no confusion would take place and no insult would be felt by myself or others
                            practicing my religion, Thanks for your time and attention to this issue."

                            yes, the the trolls would still have assaulted you, but you might have had a slim chance with tribe staff
                            if you went about it that way instead.
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                              "that pastafarianism rhymes with rastafarianism is for the most part a coincidence," Is a lie. No sleight was intended by who? Don't be sorry to tell me anything, especially when its something I already know. Its not your place to say what better I could have done. So while you may think you here to help me, you've mostly been in my way. Whats all this foolishness agowan with yuni talking about her baby? See what Im saying?
                    • <<All it would have taken is one or two NICE people to be NICE instead of conveniently trollish and this whole thing could have been
                      averted and handled in a way that made winners out of everybody instead of attacking somebody who had a good reason in their mind
                      to feel sleighted. >>

                      Well, you are one person. Be nice if that is what you feel is needed. Good. Satisfied now?


                      Prometheus you are a total hypocrite. You are the same person who took part in several threads on more than one Tribe criticizing me and harrassing me when I was pregnant. One of those threads even criticized my capacity as a mother and questioned whether or not I cared for my unborn child and in one Tribe I was put "on trial" and I wasn't there in any of them to defend myself because I was trying to mind my own bussiness and deal with my real life but I heard about all the shit talking from others and I eventually saw what you and others wrote about me. Not only did you willingly participate despite not knowing me or ever having had any reason to dislike me but you compared me to BLUE or TRUE (or whatever that person is calling herself now) and suggested that I was her. So believe me when I am sincere in saying that nothing you can say to me about kindness and fairness is worth shit since you have demonstrated that you are more than willing to attack someone who is a complete stranger to you just so that you can be in with your little in crowd so FUCK OFF! With a big stick.

                      • You are the same person who took part in several threads on more than one Tribe criticizing me and harrassing me when I was pregnant.
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                        did i?
                        i don't seem to remember that.
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                        One of those threads even criticized my capacity as a mother and questioned whether or not I cared for my unborn child and in one Tribe I was put "on trial"
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                        maybe you missed the point of me and the kangaroo court. i went against the court because they were being mean to people like
                        you and in the end that entire tribe was disbanded due to my effort mostly.
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                        and I wasn't there in any of them to defend myself because I was trying to mind my own bussiness and deal with my real life but I heard about all the shit talking from others and I eventually saw what you and others wrote about me. Not only did you willingly participate despite not knowing me or ever having had any reason to dislike me but you compared me to BLUE or TRUE
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                        i was being stalked by a person who as far as i knew would assume many guises. call me paranoid delusional.
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                        (or whatever that person is calling herself now) and suggested that I was her. So believe me when I am sincere in saying that nothing you can say to me about kindness and fairness is worth shit since you have demonstrated
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                        please show a link or any direct evidence that i have slieghted you personally ever. Yes i was involved in some of those threads, but not
                        as one of the people attacking you.

                        However, for the record, if i have done anything that in fact did contribute to your stress, i apologize.

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                        that you are more than willing to attack someone who is a complete stranger to you just so that you can be in with your little in crowd
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                        yuni, its just me. theres no in crowd. just one aspie geek trying to do the right thing and make a point of it.
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                        so FUCK OFF! With a big stick.
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                        i hope you will realize that was a mistake.
                        peace and light to you,
                        prometheuspan
  • In order to get motion on this, you'll need to send your complaint to either abuse@tribe.net or feedback@tribe.net - or take it to Brainstorm, but honestly, i don't think that's the way to go. I strongly suggest that private contact is the way to go.

    Good luck.
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      I've sent two emails to help and feedback explaining the term should be changed to Pasta- Farian, Pasta-farian, or Pasta Farian, in order to distinguish it from a slander of Ras Tafari.
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        Well that explanation says it all. There is no Pas Tafari or Pasta Farian. Ras Tafari is an easily and completely distinguishable from the single word term Pastafarian, so no change need be made.
        • in the analysis, American Civil Liberties Union of New Jersey ex rel. Lander v. Schundler , Alito wrote a 1999 majority opinion upholding the constitutionality of a holiday display in front of City Hall in Jersey City. A lower court had banned the display a few years earlier, when it featured a Hanukkah menorah and a Christmas tree. Two weeks later, the city put it back up with changes, adding a large plastic Santa Claus, Frosty the Snowman, a red sled and Kwanzaa symbols.

          Alito said the secular additions "demystified" the religious symbols and made the display legal. In a dissent, Judge Richard Lowell Nygaard, a Reagan appointee, wrote that the "addition of a few small token secular objects is not enough to constitutionally legitimate the modified display.">>>> Washington Post

          There is no Pas Tafari or Pasta Farian. Ras Tafari is an easily and completely distinguishable from the single word term Pastafarian, so no change need be made>>>
          It demystifies other religious symbols and so gives equal time to secular beliefs that exemplify parallelism.
          It needs to be changed.
          .
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            > It demystifies other religious symbols and so gives equal time to secular beliefs that exemplify parallelism.
            It needs to be changed.

            I don't believe you either read or understood your own example. LOL!
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              There is long standing evidence that religious assosiations with Ras Tafari Makkonen have been termed Rastafari, Rastafarian, and Rastafarianism, far before the conception of the term pastafarian, Making the spacing of the term pastafarian not relevant to its status as a slander of rastafari unless the pasta context is clarified. After which I would attack the terms defamemation of the Farian families. So really its a lose-lose for those defending the term. I would suggest it were changed to pasta fariean if I did not know that an such a religion actually existed and has nothing to do with the FSM. Its best that the FSM movemeent concede its lack of rights to the term all together and reffer to themselves as pastarian.
            • i'm offended by the notion that the word 'troll' implies 'anti-semitism'. as an unrepentant troll, i feel this is an outrage far greater than anything related to carbohydrates or dietary religions (despite their growing popularity among communities otherwise lacking any guiding light, which is rather tragic when you think about it because clearly any spiritual epiphany would lead these misguided souls to healthier choices). by associating troll with anti-semitism, eli-jah, you are essentially denying the basic human right of semites to be trolls, and clearly, here in the middle east, we have far more trolls per capita than in other locales. we are proud of our troll heritage, sleep under bridges and blow the shofar and WHAT'S WRONG WITH THAT, I ASK YOU?
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                I dont have to expain self hating jews and uncle tom phenomenon to anyone. A troll is an imaginary creature with a bigged hooked nose that lives under bridges that was used in europe to scare children. The mythology itself was concieved as a way to alienate jews. The online popularity of the term is furtherance of such hatred in that any opinion expressed that is unpopular or not toeing the line of the aryan conciousness status quo is labeled as that of a troll. The outrage regarding pastafarians has NOTHING to do with food, the incessant playing off of what was already a BAD joke to begin just calls into question such peoples intellegence and demonstrates a worrisome reluctance to face real issues. That there may be a tribe of losers who have nothing better to do than try to get a rise out of people online for no reason, or distract from productive conversations, I can believe, that there label as troll is seperate from the socially rejected big nosed bearded stocky guy under the bride, not so much.
                • The secular demystification of religious philosophies need to be clealy demarcated from those that are sincere in their attempt to seek and demonstrate the divine.The term troll originally was descriptive of the fishing term... casting out a net... trolling for responses. It developed the personality anthropomorphization as a description of mean people doing trolling.
                  Remember that misrepresentation can be a violation of TOU and grounds for deletion.
                  We MUST not misrepresent religious philosophies by placing them in close proximity to parodies of secular nature.
                  • This is the maximum depth. Additional responses will not be threaded.
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                    "It developed the personality anthropomorphization as a description of mean people doing trolling."

                    Partly. But the terms proximity to the aformentioned "fari tales" and thier facism, means that it IS used to some degree to signify just that. A fact supported by the assosiation of meaness with the trolls of "mythology."

                    "We MUST not misrepresent religious philosophies by placing them in close proximity to parodies of secular nature."

                    The parodies MUST not be slander of individuals, blood sucking identity theft schemes, or racist oppression either.
                • >> I dont have to expain self hating jews and uncle tom phenomenon to anyone. A troll is an imaginary creature with a bigged hooked nose that lives under bridges that was used in europe to scare children. The mythology itself was concieved as a way to alienate jews.

                  Saying doesn't make it so. Trolls come from pre-Christian Scandinavian mythology. If you want to discriminate against Pastafarians, take your complains to them.
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                    "Saying doesn't make it so. Trolls come from pre-Christian Scandinavian mythology. If you want to discriminate against Pastafarians, take your complains to them."

                    Above is the essence of why my entire interaction with tribe.net in regards to their official support of the pastafarians has been one of facism. The truth is that the listing pastafarian as a religion is discrimination against Rastafarian People. This is undeniable. Though there has been an element of good humor invovled, Now that the court case is over, the terms temporary benefit is out weighed by its permanent detriment. A religious movement rising out of OPPRESSION's mockery recieves offical support from a powerfull website is Babylon, dont mean to be cliche, but its the exact definition. Thats when I am accused through implication that I desire to discriminate against pastafarians, who of course recieve all rights to recognition against any pesky "rastafarian" objectors as if Bob Marley did not write the song of last millenium.
                    • now you're calling me a hooknosed uncle tom? and you're insulted if people call you a pastafarian? excuse me, but from where i'm sitting, the slur you issued is the more offensive of the two. pastafarian at least sounds just like rastafarianism, and it's clearly a light-hearted joke by tribe. i think most of us would want tribe to try to be more light-hearted in general, as they've often come across almost militant in defense of their precious TOU.

                      i may be a hooknose, as you're quick to point out, but i'm damn proud of it. i'm a zionist jew, i'm a heebie, i'm a red-sea pedestrian and don't you forget it, pasta man!
  • FSM stands for the Flying Spaghetti Monster religion. It's a joke religion. Some very witty person made up a "joke religion" with a big pile of pasta and spaghetti sauce as the Main Deity.
    Bwaa Haa Haa is the ancient Chinese deity of Humor.
    Boo Hoo is the ancient Chinese deity of Tears.
    Grace Underpressure is the Guardian Angel of Editors, Computer Geeks, and Those Of Us Practicing Tolerance and the Fine but Little Practiced Art of Chuckling At Ourselves. As opposed to laughing at other people and THEIR foibles. Which, if you think about it, we've all got similar foibles. Another good reason to laugh.
    Har Dee Haar Haar. Ancient Yoga teacher who wrote the Comic Sutra. Yes, he's got Harry Krishna's autograph, from BEFORE Harry Krishna became a big Bollywood movie star.
    God help the Deity who can't laugh at his/herself now and then. Without belittling themselves or others!
    • that is a known factor here

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        No, that is a pretended factor here. There is no genuine faith the existence of a FSM g-d. The term pastafarian is an assault on the Rastafarian spirito-religious nation. There is absolutely NO reason for the terms defense as a listing of tribe.net's recognized religions, which makes about as much sense as teaching intelligent design in Kansas Schools, other than to hurt the Rastafarian religious movement.
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          EXCUSE ME!?!?!
          Who are you to be telling me what my religion means?
          I happen to be a follower of the Pastafarian religion, and I feel that your assault on my beliefs is oppressive to hundreds of people and is a declaration of support for religious partiality, and close minded hatred!!

          You are wrong about there being no genuine faith in the existence of an FSM god. I believe by the principle of agnosticism--the Flying Spaghetti Monster is the face that I give any divine power that may or may not exist. In our religion, it really doesn't matter whether he DOES or not--what matters is what we do here in this life. Humor is the medium through which we understand each other; underneath it, there are very real beliefs that we share and uphold. We believe in striving for the best in ourselves and others. We believe in respect and tolerance and kindness and common decency. And one of our greatest things in common is that we believe that man has a tendency to take himself a bit too seriously... To quote ProvHerbs 3:52--"Avast! Give in to temptation daily, for the FSM is not vengeful god and wants you to have a little fun along the way."

          I am sincerely sorry for any offense to the Rastafarian movement, but you are out of line. I will concede that the name Pastafarian was indeed chosen because it rhymed with a known religion, but there never was and never will be an intent to malign anyone specifically. The only thing special about using the word Rastafarian as our base is that it was easily FSM-ified by changing the P to an R. End of story. If we had by chance chosen Piratian, we'd probably all be arguing about how it maligns some other group that sounds similar that we didn't even know existed.

          Pastarian might indeed be a more accurate term for our group, but we are too geographically scattered and intellectually independent to successfully force a more politically correct term on the group. If you feel it is still a problem, then you can go ahead and push for Flying Spaghetti Monsterist, but DON'T you DARE go around suggesting that Pastafarians are the racist ones!

          Or did you completely forget that the Rastafarian movement started in part as a response to the racist assumption by European churches that Jesus was white?
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    Wow! This thread is a perfect example of why I loath religion in any form. Religion leads to fanatics, and fanaticism is evil.

    Pastafarianism pokes fun at fanaticism which is why fanatics find it so hard to swallow.

    Get over yourself. It's people like you who are making this world harder and harder to live in. I don't like everything I see in the world, but unless it's doing serious harm to people I let it be. Try it.

    (FYI, I won't be checking back to see if you respond because I don't really care what you think, so go ahead and flame me if you want, but it won't be seen by these eyes.)

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