I've posted some images that roughly illustrate the new look and feel changes coming in January.
Generally, we've tried to:
1. move all controls to a similar place on each page
2. emphasize tribes more
3. simplify the look and feel--fewer elements per page
we've run these changes by some users in usability tests, but that's a small number of course. So feedback's welcome as always.
Generally, we've tried to:
1. move all controls to a similar place on each page
2. emphasize tribes more
3. simplify the look and feel--fewer elements per page
we've run these changes by some users in usability tests, but that's a small number of course. So feedback's welcome as always.
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Re: Upcoming Look & Feel Changes in January
Tue, December 20, 2005 - 10:57 AMah, I should have been specific: i posted the images to the photo album in this tribe.
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Re: Upcoming Look & Feel Changes in January
Tue, December 20, 2005 - 11:07 AMHey, Wade....
Here's my favorite aspect of Tribe's new Look and Feel....got this gem just today when I tried to visit a tribe I'd been to many times before:
Insufficient Privileges
You have insufficient privileges to take this action
Dude, the new Look and Feel is awesome!! Tribe is now WAY more bland and uninteresting, and I know that, from a marketing perspective, you must be really excited about that.
Probably my favorite aspect to the new Look and Feel is that I'm now treated much more like a child in the privacy of my own home. I want to thank you guys for immediately caving in to the reactionary elements in the culture war....you've really increased the appeal of Tribe, and I have to say...I like it. Society doesn't need unprofitable failures like, ohhh...say, Hugh Hefner to fight our culture war for us...that loser couldn't make a buck in the National Mint.
Anyway, thanks again to Tribe for the new Look and Feel. I'm sure that I'll be spending WAY MORE TIME surfing Tribe and clicking on your ads.
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Re: Upcoming Look & Feel Changes in January
Tue, December 20, 2005 - 11:19 AMas most of us that have been around here for a while already know, change happens at tribe. it's what they do. get over it, and move on.
the new look is interesting, the only gripe i have is within the my tribe.net page. i'd rather see when my friends have new blogs rather than new posts, will this be an "adaptable module" kind of thing which enables the user to change that?
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Tue, December 20, 2005 - 11:27 AMThere's a neat thing on the my tribe.net page where you can edit your defaults. Set your default start point, etc.
They're nice pages all in all.
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Tue, December 20, 2005 - 11:39 AMBecause the look is inconsistant and honestly is a major kludge.
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Tue, December 20, 2005 - 12:32 PMglad you asked. The module at launch will be a combination of different things your friends have posted. You'll have a link on the lh side for "my friends' blogs" as well.
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Tue, December 20, 2005 - 8:44 PMI think it's called the XBOX
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Wed, January 4, 2006 - 5:19 PMI wouldn't exactly call that polishing...more like sandpapering. -
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Re: Upcoming Look & Feel Changes in January
Thu, January 5, 2006 - 6:22 AMWell....
The update:
It runs/loads faster...
Still getting icon overflows...
Not as colorful...
The posts are harder to read...
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Thu, January 5, 2006 - 6:28 AM
Is it just me or most of the Tribe's containing adult content pretty dead after the new TOU/TOS? e.g. not as many postings / participation.
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Re: Upcoming Look & Feel Changes in January PS
Thu, January 5, 2006 - 11:25 AMI think the look/layout could be cool...
It's interesting that with so many bugs needing to be addressed, that new stuff is in the works...as usual.
It's my understanding that they are on strict deadlines and that sometimes there is no regard for full testing of potential issues in order to meet their deadlines.
I don't understand this way of thinking or doing business.
Dirty word for the day: poopy.
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Thu, January 5, 2006 - 9:39 PM"It's interesting that with so many bugs needing to be addressed, that new stuff is in the works...as usual. "
Well, usually with a large scale rollout many of the old bugs are adressed by complete re-write...
which means a whole new list of bugs for us to complain about!
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Fri, January 6, 2006 - 5:27 PMThey're not bugs, they're undocumented features!
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Re: Upcoming Look & Feel Changes in January PS
Fri, January 6, 2006 - 5:31 PMI think that in order to appease our megaultrabitchfest, Tribe must gives away prizes and stuff:
Trips
Cash
Apartments in the Med...
stuff like that.
That would be cool.
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Mon, January 9, 2006 - 1:46 PMI have to fiddle with the view perhaps but uh
I'd actually like to see my friends on my homepage, and rather than having to click on the links on the left side of the page.
I'd rather have control of seeing my friend's blogs rather than their listings.
The My Homepage page indicates that is a default view...it's not currently to my liking and I hope I will be able to modify the view, or lack thereof.
I don't really think I need to see what Tribe suggests in terms of tribes at the top of the page or the people I "should know" at the bottom...
The only really positive thing I see at the moment is the layout is a bit more sophisticated...sort of.
thanks!
Oh yeah, I still need a trip somewhere fun!!
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Wed, December 21, 2005 - 5:04 AMI feel the same way.
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Re: Upcoming Look & Feel Changes in January
Wed, December 21, 2005 - 5:21 AMSoooo....
Even though they announced everything ahead of time, and warned people what was going to happen... and because you prefered to lurk and eves drop instead of joining a tribe and participating...
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Wed, December 21, 2005 - 6:54 AMI don't like the new look. It bundles all events, listings, photos and discussions into one long list in a tribe (one short list actually, because most of the space is occupied with useless stuff). Sure and extra click to see discussions (hello? discussions? the main reason we're here?), but that's one extra click every single time I visit a tribe? Plus what's with all the willy nilly font sizes and random pics inserted in the topic line? It's a mess. -
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Re: Upcoming Look & Feel Changes in January
Wed, December 21, 2005 - 10:30 AMThe way those tabs are designed, they'll remember the last one you clicked on. So, if you're the type of person that's just interested in discussions, you'll be shown just discussions for each tribe you visit.
Ideally, we'd like to let you pick a default tab per tribe, but that's a big data challenge for those of you with hundreds of tribes, so we're going to think about that some more.
As for the photos and fonts: the idea there is to give you primary information first (the photo and title of the post) and then useful secondary information (post categories, dates, replies, etc.). The font colors and sizes were chosen so that you can scan the page quickly to find posts that interest you, and then "read between the lines" (the secondary stuff) to find out more before clicking through. -
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Re: Upcoming Look & Feel Changes in January
Wed, December 21, 2005 - 7:03 PMHere's a great customer-centric feature idea. Produce the re-design in say 7-10 different color themes. Allow for the user to choose their color theme via their account settings.
The current "hot red-orange" isn't consistent with Elliots statement that brand shoudn't dominate over content. The redness essentially alerts the user to the redness before they see the content. I can almost bet you that in a usability study of users, and specifically their eyes, that they see the red before they see the content. Again, in support of a more neutral color of green or brown.
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Wed, December 21, 2005 - 7:23 PMWhite text on blue is still the easiest on the eyes.
Long studies and all that shizzle.
I like to use bright green on black. LONG LIVE THE APPLE ][!!!!
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Mon, January 9, 2006 - 2:33 PMscott--
great suggestion about offering 7-10 different color themes, i'm also one of those who wishes the white background would just die, die die so i could read....
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Tue, January 10, 2006 - 1:42 AMI actually like this feature a lot. I feel like posting a listing to a tribe is basically useless right now because everyone goes straight to the discussions, and doesn't bother with the listings.
Sure, at first it'll look like my tribes are all spammy because of those people who post their listing to every tribe they're on, but I think that behavior will die really fast when people are actually looking at the listings. It'll also cut down on that thing that happens where people start threads announcing their events because they know that nobody's going to see their listing.
So, once it's widely deployed and people are used to it, I think it'll work really well. Right now, it's sort of annoying.
I do miss being able to see some of a tribe's photo album on the main page, though. Without that, I think the photo album feature becomes a lot less useful.
Also, while the big buttons at the top of the page make sense from a usability standpoint, you might consider making them, err, less big. I use tribe on an older Mac laptop with a 1024x768 display. There's not a lot of room for large graphics, and it'd be nice for more of that real estate to be occupied with relevant information. -
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Tue, January 10, 2006 - 1:46 AMAnother thing: pictures without text is a usability no-no. I'm thinking of the "active members on this tribe" display that only shows a series of thumbnails. Displaying the names of those people wouldn't take much more space, and would make the display a whole lot more useful. -
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Tue, January 10, 2006 - 1:57 PMi agree with this observation: i highly dislike the usericons without text names. i believe, however, that i already made this observation somewhere......
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Tue, December 20, 2005 - 11:37 AMIf you want a little more color on the changes that we've got in store, head on over to Elliot on Tribe (elliot.tribe.net) for the design angle and more. -
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Tue, December 20, 2005 - 12:51 PMWade, ever hear this one:
IF IT AIN'T BROKE, DON'T FIX IT. ?
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Tue, December 20, 2005 - 2:21 PMThing is, it's very broke.
Profiles have one look, tribes card another, your my tribe.net page another.
Buttons move around, there's massive inconsistantcies which increase the tribe learning curve in ways you don't want. People should be able to figure and learn the navigation here fairly straight forward, and not have to figure out where things are hidden.
I also like the tabbed module for the tribe card becaus eyou can see all new activity, including new pictures, or click the tab for what you care about, be it events, listings, etc. It's a nice logical consolidation of information.
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Tue, December 20, 2005 - 3:45 PMDude, that's Yale.
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Tue, December 20, 2005 - 3:50 PMWhenever they fix it they break it.
I keep telling you guys: USENET. It's free; it's uncensored; it's not owned by any corporations. It's owned by nobody.
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Re: Upcoming Look & Feel Changes in January
Tue, December 20, 2005 - 3:54 PMtry our new wide variety of flavours:
vanilla, vanilla, and new for spring;
... VANILLA!
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Tue, December 20, 2005 - 4:26 PMIf it's so great and useful as a replacement to tribe, what are you still doing here?
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Tue, December 20, 2005 - 4:30 PMtaking a nice, glistening leak on the legs of Positivity and Inoffensiveness (tm), that's what. -
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Tue, December 20, 2005 - 4:55 PMWorks for me.
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Tue, December 20, 2005 - 11:15 PMDavid: $60/year(minimum) isn't free, ya flippin' tease. Go back and find one that is free and isn't easy for hackers to destroy your computer.
Some peoples kids, I swear, lol
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Wed, December 21, 2005 - 9:50 AMWhoops. Yeah -- ellioton.tribe.net
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Tue, December 20, 2005 - 1:45 PMThose 3 goals seem worthy, but it wasn't apparent (at least not to me) how those things are being achieved through the screen shots.
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Tue, December 20, 2005 - 2:21 PMThose are all clickable and act as navigation, with details behind each.
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Wed, December 21, 2005 - 5:03 AMJumble:
nurture a splendid bubble happy money spending idiot community trained by the TV
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Wed, January 4, 2006 - 9:16 AM>>> intelligent people figured tribe out pretty easily...
This unfortunately isn't the case. People, even intelligent net-savvy people, have problems understand how to use tribe.net. It takes a fair amount of work to get it. Hopefully the new design will help new users get more out of tribe faster.
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Tue, January 10, 2006 - 1:52 AMI see where you're coming from here, but designing usable software isn't about properly estimating the capabilities of your users. It's about making the software as easy to use as possible, so that your users' big beautiful brains are freed up for things they actually care about. As a developer, it's rather presumptuous for me to assume that anyone has time to waste learning how my user interface works.
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Tue, December 20, 2005 - 2:55 PMYes, but with them we get full browser width.
And the mid thread ads are going to be very narrow, so they won't be ad intrusive to those without adblocking.
Everything is a traceoff.
I'm looking forward to customization.
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Tue, December 20, 2005 - 4:37 PMPlease-- the boxes are simple. You are not accomplishing the goal of "simplifying" anything with these changes.
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Tue, December 20, 2005 - 4:56 PMEvolve or die.
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Tue, December 20, 2005 - 8:03 PMThat's real helpful. I'm so glad you're following your own advice and "moving on."
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Tue, December 20, 2005 - 8:15 PMThey suck as do the current changes, congrats on fucking up a good idea, way to go..........
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Tue, December 20, 2005 - 11:28 PMBitch bitch bitch... the new layout is awesome. I LOVE the new tribe format... windows... lists, blog... it's great!
Well, except for the ads of course, but what the hell, we've all grown up in an ad world and I think we have all evolved an inborn "ad filter" by now anyway.
And anyway,
Everyone gets to place what they want or don't want where they want it. We can each emphasize whatever we feel is important to us. What's to complain about?
I too however, would like an option to be able to see if my friends have posted a new blog entry.
Other than that,
props to you wade!
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Re: Upcoming Look & Feel Changes in January
Tue, December 20, 2005 - 11:57 PMI'm sorry wade to come as a bit of the devils advocate here but looking at the photos of what were going to be seeing in january feels like tribe has sold it's soul. Granted our pages are simply laid out right now, but it just feels like I'm going to be walking into a shopping mall when I log into my profile...Please don't turn into friendster and start advertising free christian dating services. All the flashing and glitter and dust is a good environment for advertiseing and I just hope your not selling our souls to the imperial marketeers. This is souly my opinion and would sincerely like to hear your comments... thank you, sunny -
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Wed, December 21, 2005 - 12:26 AMYou guys need to stop whining. I don't see how this new layout has anything to do with "selling your soul". I'm all for useful changes that open tribe up to more people, not just computer geeks.
What I want to know is, when is Tribe going to fix a glaring bug that has been around for years. You click on a thread, read it, then go back to your home page. Someone then posts to the same tribe, you click on the tribes home page, and not only is there an asterisk next to the new post, but the last 3-4 threads you *just looked at* are also marked. This has to annoy anyone who spends more than 30 min a day on tribe.
I look forward to the new look and feel of tribe. Just make sure it is ready to go live before you rush the changes out the door. In my opinion, Tribe tends to rush buggy revisions into production. User moral is already at an all-time low due to the TOU, please don't make it worse by putting out a broken product.
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Wed, December 21, 2005 - 12:40 AMThanks Wade and Elliot for showing us the new design in advance.
Note: I'm as snarky and critical as the next person, and as a designer, I am pretty picky... I may have some differences in opinion as to certain interface choices, in so far as the way access to certain elements goes, but in general:
* The overall look is much more integrated.
* The color scheme seems rational and clean. Like the white background, instead of boxing the alignment in to the left with the darker grey brackground.
* The design is less boxy and disjointed. More organic.
* I like the idea of the icons - they are a little detailed at that small size, but the general idea is good.
* The font sizes look more proportional to each other, less clunky. Nice styles!
* The ad widths match the width of the interface elements - proportions look good!!!
I actually disagree with some of you guys--- I don't think this is too slick or "souless" - a clean, well-integrated interface is much appreciated, at least in my book!!! This design is more in the spirit of flickr than msn, thank goodness!
I think tribe is due for this kind of major redesign, since the functions up until now have been added one by one, rather ad hoc, and the design reflected this. It is good to be able to be able to design the whole, rather than part by part.
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Wed, December 21, 2005 - 1:22 AMI'm for one am not whining i think thought that it would be nice for them to be clear with their intentions...I know that I will get used to the changes.As i have gotten used to the ads and gotten used to the flagging and all the things that have made being here a bit manic. You guys obviously have a five year plan or something up your sleeve. Are we going to be ohming and holding hands or shopping at the gap and getting discounts with our tribe membership account numbers? Neither I hope. -
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Wed, December 21, 2005 - 3:46 AMWade et all, I like the cleaner look and easier, more simplistic usability on the proposed mock ups; job well done. However, even though I like the new design and iconic style I do believe that with the logo and icons being red the site carries an Oracle tone to it (To corporate and not enough community friendly). Then again, back in 98 when I designed the Oracle EDU site I was knee deep in themed brand red too, so this feedback could be bent by the Oracle Red spoil factor.
Regardless of me having an Oracle Red spoil factor or not, I suggest a slight brand spin. Hopefully, if you take what I am about to suggest to the tables, Tribe won't have to consult with a media brand equity firm to decide if this is a strategically sound move or not (We all know how much a profesional brand co. costs).
When designing, and especially for a community based site, it is best practice to look at the community/user demographics. While this can be acheived via statistics, surveys and other metrics in measurement, I use here a very basic analysis to find the most commons in the Tribe community mind set. Below resides a list of Tribes and their membership levels.
Christian Talk - 100
Gnostic Way - 147
OSHO - 240
#!#The Cult of the BEARD#!# - 318
weed smokers - 260
Tripping in Nature - 264
Buddhists Just Wanna Have Fun - 822
Pagan - 764
Zen - 669
I don't like to assume, but with a Christian president who refuses to sign the Kyoto agreement, and the knowledge that Pagan's respect Mother Nature, I assume that by the numbers presented above Tribe has a community base that follows a more Green Party basis than not.
So ultimately I must ask the question: does tribe have a more "Red" focused community of people, or does Tribe have a more "Green" peak in interests? I think that the numbers make clear that this site has a more "Green" membership.
Finally, my counsel to the Tribe design team is that you heavily consider in the new re-design a change in the color of the logo, and a change in the proposed icon theme. From red, to green. After all, Red means STOP, and Green means GO, and I believe the tribe community to be more of the "GO!" belief and mindset. I whole heartedly hope that you consider this analysis and counsel as you execute the update.
This comes to you from a designer with over 10+ years experience in designing customized web applications and sites. I fellow that has sat on multi-million dollar branding boards such as the once little start up known as Lucent. Founder and CEO of Silicon Valley based Intrawork - www.intrawork.com. And he challenges the Tribe team to question the very color theme within the brand. I suggest, "GO GO GO!"
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Wed, December 21, 2005 - 5:20 AMYer awesome Scott - you kick ass.
I hate to seem like a killjoy, here, but - tribe.net has made its desires known long ago. Cast not thy design-pearls before blood-soaked rapaciously evil demons of calumny. The Overlords knew they were getting a box full of flakes and nuts when they moved in - all the changes made since the ownership and management shifted have been calculated to drive off that bad old green demographic. Consider:
Green folks find most of the ads here offensive, and wouldn't buy the product or service anyway. Tribe.net doesn't target its base. It wants a different base: a pliant and malleable base.
Green = stubbornly ethical.
Tribe = quixotically devoted to slothful greed and crapulent vileness (and thoroughly confused by "offense" taken at ads - "what racism? what sexism? huh?")
Green folks don't buy pointless crap anyway. You can't sell cheap plastic bullshit or usurious financial "services" to Greens. You can't sell them snack food (unless you have a garden), you can't sell them toys (unless you're a woodworker) and you can't sell them whores (so I hear). What's left? "Get out, hippie!" ~ that's what.
Obviously they knew their base would be hostile to being spoon-fed a bunch of ugly orthogonal pap and politically-right-friendly godawfulness. Obviously they thought it would be good to go ahead and do the Pat Robertson thing. The design changes simply reflect a growing will to openly dissuade you, the un-thanked and largely hated SPINE of tribe.net, from continuing to stink the place up with your patchouli and your free love and the what-not. -
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Wed, December 21, 2005 - 9:02 AMon red vs. green:
we changed the logo to the current color (an orangish-red) a few months ago. We really chose the color for its formal properties--good energy, pops well on the page, that kind of thing--than for any particular assocation with it. We didn't mean to imply that we don't know that the tribe community is on average left of center--they are--we just wanted a color scheme that gave you a little positive lift when you saw it on the page.
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Wed, December 21, 2005 - 10:26 AMI'd like to fully disclose that we didn't pay Paula for her last post.
But it's pretty much spot on. As far as aesthetics go, I was going for:
- integration and consistency: for that "fully baked" feeling
- simplicity: fewer tones and colors, fewer fonts and sizes
- education: know what tribe is about by looking at it
- balance: more "white space" to reduce fatigue when browsing/reading
The longest-standing visual design goal at Tribe has been to allow the content on each page shine through, and let the rest of the site's elements (navigation, branding) recede and take a secondary position. Tribe has always tried to be an information appliance for finding things that interest you -- personally, socially, geographically, "topically" -- and I like to think that the design has consistently supported that intention, and gotten better with each revision. In this way, designing (and redesigning) Tribe has been more like working on a physical object or tool. The form should never get in the way of communicating or achieving its purpose.
So I'm expecting a certain portion of the audience to think the design is bland. I'll be happy if people don't really notice the design, but instead, find it easy to get to the information they like, and focus on that content once they get there.
It's been a tricky path to walk, though. Designs with high levels of organization are often associated with big-company efforts, and can wind up with that strict, cold feel. So we countered with a bright brand color, and some other organic elements to balance the order. Hopefully, Tribe should feel like that smart, mildly creative person you know, who has lots going on, but has a few tricks to keep it all in line -- and some spare time to help you out besides. Because that's who we built this place for, and largely that's who has come to stay.
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Wed, January 4, 2006 - 2:00 PMfwiw, we've started a tribe that's solely focused on these changes. It's:
tribes.tribe.net/newlook
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Thu, January 5, 2006 - 11:45 AMI am not at all surprised by these changes. Once again, you have made things less useful.
Take the "my tribe.net" page. Today, I use that page to navigate to all my tribes. In your screenshot you show only a handful of tribes. The user has to click to "see all". Meanwhile you fill the page with new sections for recommended tribes and people. Obviously you believe this will be useful to new members, and you may be right about that but unless you give your existing users the ability to customize the page to turn OFF the "features" they don't want and turn back ON feature they do want (such as viewing all their tribes), this will yet again drive people who are already using the service away. How many times have you guys done this now? How many times has it FAILED to draw in (and more importantly, keep) new users?
When will you realize that the layout and look and feel is not what brings people in, or what gets them to recommend the service to friends?
Look at Craigslist. The layout is ugly. The interface is awkward. Yet Craigslist thrives. Why does it thrive? It thrives because it *works* and so people use and recommend CL. Stop wasting untold hours on redesigning Tribe over and over and over. Focus on making it WORK. Fix the photo caption/title/album problems. Fix the event problems. Fix the search problems. Provide a markup system so people can make links that WORK. Make it easier for people to USE Tribe. The new layout doesn't make things "easier", just different. -
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Re: Upcoming Look & Feel Changes in January
Thu, January 5, 2006 - 11:57 AMComprehensive lists are a bane and a boon.
While this will make the learning curve easier on the newbies, it will be annoying for those who have adapted to the way thigns are.
Because I just had a long talk with client who wanted hsi discussion boards to resemble this, with long comprehensize lists of headings, and lots of redendancy, I have to agree with WADE's decision, this will probably make this easier.
The thing you ahve to worry about is people clickign into endless empty categories. Emptiness, gives the new tribester a feeling that this is just a joke. there are many discussion topics that are empty on tribe, and in that I expereince a feeling of loss. it would be even worse, if i were clicking on all of the potential categories in someones profile oly to find out that they hadnt filled any of them, or to get longs lists of zeros and unchanged dormant tribes.
Something must be done about this, you have to go with what is already very active on tribe, or else you risk "marketing" yourself as an unpopular subpar product. The wierdos will always start thier own stuff.
You must focus on the most active tribes, when introducing new users. The boredom factor will make them leave, if they sign on to tribes that lay dormant for even two days.
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Re: Upcoming Look & Feel Changes in January
Mon, January 9, 2006 - 9:52 PMGreetings,
I'm a graphic designer and I'm very disappointed in the changes. I hate to be so negative, but you've taken something that was simple and easy to navigate and made it "spaced out" and less tribe user friendly. It requires too many clicks and going back and forth to get where you're trying to go.
1. I do not like that the pictures of my friends are lost on the home page and require a separate click. THE BIGGEST LOSS OF ALL.
2. I do not like the shortened list of my tribes and the way they're reorganized. I REALLY DISLIKE THIS. VERY FRUSTRATING.
3. I do not like the insertion of suggested Tribes at the top. Takes up way too much space for something that I don't find helpful.
4. I do not like the suggested people at the bottom. I find people to know just fine.
5. I do not like that the "views on you" and number of friends being completely gone from the homepage.
Quite honestly, I cannot find one thing that I like about the new design. I really wish I did. Again, as a designer, I know the effort you must have put into this. The existing design is tight, integrated, easy to navigate, intuitive and it just plain works great as it is now.
I'm all for change if it's going to improve user friendliness. But changing something that works well is a mistake.
This is a design blunder. Well-intended. But a complete blunder. I implore you not to implement the new design! I beg you not to. I know it means tossing aside the time and effort you put into recreating it, but it would show respect for your users to be able to say, "Judging from your feedback, we realize we made a mistake. We hear your complaints and will honor your request to leave well enough alone."
Thank you for hearing me out. I hope you choose wisely to keep Tribe as is, and I look forward to coming back to the Tribe I'm quite comfortable with and find so easy to use.
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Re: Upcoming Look & Feel Changes in January
Tue, January 10, 2006 - 2:08 AMI like it the way it is now. What's wrong with it? Will there be an option to stay this way?
I am hearing a lot of people saying pretty much the same things as Kat already.
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Re: Upcoming Look & Feel Changes in January
Tue, January 10, 2006 - 8:09 AMVERY GOOD QUESTION:
WILL THERE BE AN OPTION FOR TRIBE TO STAY AS IS?
or is all this discussion a moot point? Pleeeeease listen to the feedback. I know some people get nasty and sarcastic which gets us nowhere. But most of us are reasonable. I hope you hear our distaste for the new design coming through loud and clear for very arguable reasons.
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Re: Upcoming Look & Feel Changes in January
Mon, January 9, 2006 - 3:13 PMThere's no link to my tribe page from the Seattle default page.
The fonts seem to have defaulted to... larger. Unattractively so.
I don't like the bubble links at the top of the page, but I am a big fan of text links. I do like the teensy avatar next to the Hi <insert name here>
I want to be able to see my friends [because I like their happy smiling faces] and all my tribes on my start page. And the # of views [Someone suggested recently that we have a # of blog views as well? I'd like that.] and # of friends/size of network. It takes me too many clicks to get to information that should be easily accessible at first glance.
I don't mind the tribe/people recommendations, really, but not at the top of the page! There are tribes and people that I've chosen to be connected to, and those should get priority placement.
It's confusing to have the listings and topics and events and reviews all in one section on each tribe page.
I have my tribe view set to "newest first" and it's showing me the original post at the top of the page, but there's nothing to identify it as the original.
Many of the special characters - like in the ♥ New York City Pagans ॐ Witches ♥ tribe name - don't work.
And finally, it seems like the new look makes all the content kinda... run together? Maybe if that separating line was darker, like the dark gray on the reply buttons.
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Re: Upcoming Look & Feel Changes in January
Tue, January 10, 2006 - 4:14 PMMore things:
I like that My Bookmark page is wider, so the three hundred billion people that I have bookmarked can spread out a little.
It would be kind of nice if my bookmarked tribes were in more than one column. Though I guess I could just suck it up and join them.
Is there a reason we can't have the lovely navigation column on the left of all pages? It would be nice to have the my blog/my bookmarks/my friends/etc. links accessible from anywhere.
The large photo view option on the My Friends page is keen! Can we change it so that's the default view? My friends are cute and I can see them better when they're big. :)
I like the My Friends' Blogs page because I can read all of the newest entries in one swell foop and that makes me happy.
Nice to have the mail options available right away on my homepage.
I'm not finding the ads as intrusive in the new design.
I like that the photos are posted in along with the topics. I still hate having the listings and events in there, too, though, despite the very nice tabs to sort them out.
This has been said already, but I'd like to see the names of Active Members. Sometimes I'm drawn to the name rather than the image.
Overall, the color scheme is bugging the fuck out of me. The red is fine, but the ice blue, especially in combination with the red and white, is making me cranky. I vote for changing it to gray. Gray and red would be pretty.
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Re: Upcoming Look & Feel Changes in January
Tue, January 10, 2006 - 1:57 AMAnother thing: In the new design, some of my tribes are displayed on the main page. The tribes with the most unread posts are listed first. For me, those are the tribes I read least often. The ones I participate in all the time are only going to have 5-10 new posts at any given time, since I read them every day. It'd be nice to see those tribes on my homepage someplace too.
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Re: Upcoming Look & Feel Changes in January
Tue, January 10, 2006 - 8:04 AMI totally agree with this. The list is so short now and I'd like to have it configured by date and last post. I also like the bold face on the tribes that have new posts.
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Re: Upcoming Look & Feel Changes in January
Tue, January 10, 2006 - 8:34 AMIt sucks, no doubt. I like the fact that My Page
actually looks like a sort of newspaper; my own
Gazette. I'd log on, and see the news for the day,
and go where I please. If you wanted to improve
anything, it should have been more options for
our personal webpages(there's what, 5 choices
which are not very creative). And like I said before
all that red is disgusting. I agree, we should have the
option of being able to keep it AS IS!
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Re: Upcoming Look & Feel Changes in January
Tue, January 10, 2006 - 11:45 AMI like that the navigation is a bit simpler, but the first thing I've noticed is that when clicking to look at my friend's blogs, I can no longer easily access my Tribes. I'm trying to figure out how to get back to them, and I can't!
Ok, finally found the home button, but for someone who pays less attention to images as links and more to text, I did not find it intuitive. For someone new to the site, they'd get pretty lost trying to figure out which parts of the banner image are links.
How much of the modules are customizable? I would like to be able to see all of my Tribes at a glance without having to go to another page (a page, I might add, that takes up way too much space and is not concise and easy to read). I would also like to customize my tribe.net page with different styles. I don't care for the "bubble tea" style, but that's just cosmetic. I also don't want tribe suggestions right at the top. I'm not seeing a way to customize that at this time - correct?
Also, it seems as if everything is bigger - bigger font, bigger banner, etc. I'm assuming that's to make it feel less cluttered, but for me, it's not concise and easy to look at at a glance.
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Re: Upcoming Look & Feel Changes in January
Tue, January 10, 2006 - 11:52 AMand another thing!
Once I'm viewing a Tribe, it takes a few steps to get to my entire listing of tribes. If I just go to mytribe, I only get the partial listing of tribes again and have to go back to another page to see the other ones.
And "mark all read?" please?
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Re: Upcoming Look & Feel Changes in January
Tue, January 10, 2006 - 12:23 PMI don't like putting the tribe's pics in the list of threads, that's prolly my number 1 bitch about it. Put the tribe photo album at the top and the active members off to the side. Other wise it will be pretty bland. And I'm also with the other person that I would have preferred and actually thought the changes were going to relate to the available profile styles available to users. Also red on gray is annoying, I'd rather see red on black or dark blue, and oddly enough orange was just fine.. why go red? you guys get bought by the Coca Cola Botteling company or something?
Even when you change your logo, in branding its best to keep your original colors, at least as the main theme anyway.
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Re: Upcoming Look & Feel Changes in January
Tue, January 10, 2006 - 12:26 PMYa, but look at the tabs, you can select which view you want, which is really slick.
ALL is just the first one. You arn't forced to stay in that view mode. Getting a summery of activity when you jump in is kind of cool, then click a tab and start reading.
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Re: Upcoming Look & Feel Changes in January
Tue, January 10, 2006 - 12:34 PMI'd rather see just the postings as the default and then click on all if I want to see the confusion.
My guess is since the listings are there and Tribe is going more for advertising, that what I want doesn't really matter.
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Re: Upcoming Look & Feel Changes in January
Wed, January 11, 2006 - 12:49 PMI like it much better for the most part. I think the overall flow works somewhat more coherently. I think the tribe and people recommendations at the top of the page are s good direction to move in. The tabbed interface on the tribe pages is a neat idea, but unfortunately it doesn't seem to remember my preference. I really don't like the few number of tribes displayed on the main page though (as they generally end up being the tribes I visit the least.). It might be more useful if the displayed tribes were the most Recent updates, not simply the ones with the most posts. Also, I think adding a tabbed interface to display user categorized tribes might be a convenient method to sort out your tribes quickly. Or even being able to choose which tribes show up on that page might be better. Or even the tribes which you visit most often.
I'd also like to see a link to the homepage/tribes page at the bottom of the page I'm viewing as well as the top. A few more buttons other than the "Home" button (such as messages, tribes, etc.) might be nice.
I like the colors much better, but I think there might be a bit too much white space in the threads. Changing the background to an off white (either a light ivory, or a light grey) might look nice. I think there should be more of that reddish color accenting the posts somewhere. -
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Re: Upcoming Look & Feel Changes in January
Wed, January 11, 2006 - 6:14 PM
quick note:
at www.tribebeta.net , we just rolled the first set of changes based on user feedack. Among those is making the tabs on the tribe card "sticky", in the way that you outline, drogulus.
Another change is that now you can control the sort order of the tribes on your homepage--it's linked to the sort order you use on the full My Tribes page.
The entire plan over the next few days, we've posted that here:
tribes.tribebeta.net/newlook...9680e7b8
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